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Contents 1 Assyrians in Ottoman Culture- New Book 2 Shimit Omtan 3 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 4 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXIV (December 2008) 5 Seminary 6 RFM 7 Chaldean patriarchs - please have a look 8 Shlama Azizzi 9 Request for mediation accepted 10 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXV (January 2009) 11 Barnstar 12 Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Roman Catholic Church 13 Hey my friend 14 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXVI (February 2009) 15 Assyrians in the United Kingdom 16 Voting 17 Thanks 18 The WikiProject Greece April 2009 newsletter 19 Debate? 20 Re:Assyrian People 21 Blocked 22 Outrageous! 23 it was me 24 God bless you too! 25 RCC mediation 26 RCC Mediation 27 RCC mediation 28 Roman Catholic Church mediation outcome

[edit] Assyrians in Ottoman Culture- New Book

Shlama Meeakrah, I was viewing the Wiki Assyria project page and I came across to Assyrians in Ottoman culture under articles to be created. I found a very relevant book to start this article here [[1]] and here [[2]] or[[3]] I just wanted to let you know, I will leave the same message for other aturayeh and perhaps we come up with a list of books and sources so we start the article. Allahah Natorrokh Ninevite (talk) 23:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shimit Omtan

I want to ask you something, the current standing to move the Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac/Babylonian/Sumerian/Aramaean/Iraqi/Mehsheehahyah/Nestorian/Jacobite/Syrian/Akkadian/Maronite/Phoenecian name back to Assyrian people is 6-3, clearly a consensus has been reached but someone has removed it from Wikipedia Requested Moves for whatever reason. Can you place it back on requested moves I am not sure how to go about the process, the directions are here [[4]] but they are a little confusing. Here is the link clearly showing what side has won [[5]] its a little bit lower than the start of the paragraph. Provide this link for the page as proof that a unanimous decsion has been reached 6-3 with the overwhelming majority wanting it back to Assyrian People. GodSpeed! Ninevite (talk) 03:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you earlier,

Please earise the email after seeing it. Iraqi (talk) 11:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Gabr-el

19:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Shlama, the words under the picture of Agha Petros on Assyrians in the UK Article doesn't make grammatical sense. It States "Agha Petros; with no military training he led the Assyrians to no defeat in WWI" when you get the chance aziza fix it. Ninevite (talk) 22:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

I hope you have a great 2009 Gabrel. How was England and why were you there? NancyHeise ^talk 23:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXIV (December 2008)

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[edit] Seminary

Gabrel, I just wanted to give you this link which I just saw today about a seminarian who is going to write about his seminary experience each month. It was on Catholic News Service and says he is a graduate of Georgia Tech who worked for a few years in Finance before he decided to go into the seminary. See http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=14743 NancyHeise ^talk 19:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RFM

Gabrel, this is a standard message being pasted to everyone's page. You are getting it because you voted on use of the wording in the lead sentence as well as everyone else who voted or participated in the discussions.

I began a Request for Mediation here [6] and listed you as a party. Please sign your name here [7] to agree to participate. Thanks. NancyHeise ^talk 06:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Gabrel, can you please post your "agree" on this page [8] toward the bottom so it can be considered for mediation? Thanks! :) NancyHeise ^talk 19:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Chaldean patriarchs - please have a look

I, I've recently created some articles about the Chaldean patriarchs, as Joseph Audo, Yohannan Hormizd, Eliya Abulyonan, Nicholas I Zaya. You are probably more expert of me about the Chaldean Church: can you please have a look and copyedit them if needed? Where is possible to get pictures of these patriarchs (photo of old pictures of something similar). Thanks. A ntv (talk) 22:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shlama Azizzi

I want to invite you here [9] to get your input. I have recently added 25 sources to back up the claim, but there is some specualtion by the user who has posted a message above me on using the word 'Subset.' Your feedback here will appreciated meeawkrah Ninevite (talk) 22:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for mediation accepted

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[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXV (January 2009)

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[edit] Barnstar

Hey Tourskin, would you be interested in creating an Assyrian Barnstar with me. I have noticed many other projects have their own barnstar but we dont. I am not sure how to go about the process; if you are interested let me know. As far as the picture goes for the barnstar I think [this is good. Peshenah Ninevite (talk) 01:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you were trying to give a award to User:Chaldean but you ended up giving it to a false user claiming he is chaldean here. Just thought you should know, I think you thought he was him but thats not the case as he is just puppet of our Chaldean. best regards Ninevite (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hawet basima for the award khon. Iraqi (talk) 10:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Roman Catholic Church

Hi Gabr-el, I have made a motion to close the mediation for reasons described here [10]. Please come and post either your agreement or disagreement at the same link. Thanks. NancyHeise ^talk 17:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hey my friend

After some time out of Wikipedia I am back just letting u now and I will soon make some new byzantine maps and stuff big plans lol.Justinian43 (talk) 20:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Assyrians in the United Kingdom

Hi. I notice that Assyrians in the United Kingdom is still largely unsourced. I will start to remove the unsourced material soon if citations are not provided. If you wish to discuss this, please do so here. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Just to let you know, I have reverted this edit. It may be a "basic fact" that the UK is closer to Iraq than the US is, but it would require a reference to back up the claim that this is a reason why people migrate to the UK (and this claim is contradicted anyway, by the following statement that more Assyrians live in the US). Plus, language such as "it is a suitable place for immigration" is POV. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

Gabr-el, we are voting at mediation on the name of the Church here [11]. Are you OK with changing the article name to Catholic Church and having a lead sentence that states "The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church"? Please cast your vote so we can either find consensus or not for this suggestion. Thanks.

[edit] Thanks

Just wanted to say hi back. The only reason I retired was because I bullied into a corner by a an aggressive user and then manipulated. I should've ignored him and stayed away from controversial articles. Anyway back to your discussion. The Islamic Golden Age is a particular sensitive subject for me. Many people still (ignorantly) deny that this kick started science in many ways in the modern world. But sadly from experiance I've learned that most users here delibratly ignore all contributions made by Islamic civilisation becuase they associate their own personal stigma's to it. I've also learned this another from of hatred that has been masked. But slowly as history progresses this hatred will go. Aristotlian Philosophy is an amazing subject area that I want to delve into in the near future (even I didn't know it existed let alone it was brought by the Islamic Civilisation to the world). Thanks for making me feel better, I now know there exists froms of goodness in Wikipedia's community. This is a life lesson I've learned too. I'd like to continue this discussion if you'll please. (also sorry for the late reply. I just came to check on any messages I had. I might come back to edit -- but nothing is certain.) LOTRrules _Talk ^Contribs 23:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The WikiProject Greece April 2009 newsletter

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[edit] Debate?

[12] What do you want to say? I remmber that there was a French historian [13], who said that something like that the history is not a job of politicians, it is the job of historians, and he was angry for the French law which said that there was Armenian genocide. You say that everyone has a right for speech but on the other your politicians are forbidding a right of speech thanks to the eastern barbarians. --144.122.250.144 (talk) 01:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Armenians done the same things in Ottoman Emp. too (massacre), to occupy the Ottoman lands. And when Turkish civilians reply it is called genocide? If it is genocide then there were Turkish genocide too, before the Armenian. But when the officials come to transport Armenians to another location it is called genocide too? --144.122.250.144 (talk) 01:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Assyrian People

I see that the poll opened on the 9th. According to WP:REQUESTED MOVES the survey should stay open for five days. Therefore, it wouldn't be wise for any adm to move the page until the 15th, even if the consensus looks pretty obvious. If consenus remains (which seems to be the most plausible case), I'll close the discussion and move the article, unless of course another sysop is faster than me!--Yannismarou (talk) 07:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

I have blocked you for a short while for disruptive filibustering at Talk:Assyrian people. Dab is right, as long as people with your attitude are dominating these discussions, there will never be a consensus. The only solution is to make editors like you go away. This is only a short warning block. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outrageous!

Gabr-el 15:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Will discuss with the blocking admin. Mangojuice^talk 17:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

what edits? Be specific, show my error; as far as I am concerned, I have made no disruptive editing. I tried to move the talk page, thats not disruptive, and I undid it. It was done once, and quickly undone. Gabr-el 19:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that this block falls under WP:COOLDOWN. To write in a talk-page is different than edit an Article. A ntv (talk) 19:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

This is the current situation:

• We have one admin who says that I am violating consensus, being disruptive in my edits (yes, my two edits this year can be considered plural) and referring me to WP:IDHT, that admin being dab
• We have another admin, Future Perfect, who says that my attitude is bad and my "disruptive filibustering". Though my use of bold quotes was obviously not to swear but highlight key points such as the words "unfair" and so forth, and that I have violated WP: IDIDNTHEARTTHAT
• We have one admin who says that I need a WP:COOLDOWN

If there is going to be a reason for this block, find it, show me my error so I know. Otherwise, remove this block which is based on incorrect, conflicting and different reasons. For the record, I was very civilized in my content with Triz and suggested that it is up to them to create their own article. Gabr-el 19:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an admin and wp:cooldown is to say that I consider your block exagerated A ntv (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry then and thank you, I think the block was very rushed. And it remains unexplained beyond a simple link. Gabr-el 23:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I am an admin, and it looks to me like a bad block. I'd be open to seeing evidence otherwise, but from the evidence shown on this page so far, I see no justification for a block. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

with its blatantly hostile, non-cooperative attitude - this is even funnier than the block itself. Blatantly hostile? Non-cooperative? Wow, such strong words. What would we call a user who does not use a consensus, discuss civilly with opposing users and call on other admins? A savage animal? Gabr-el 23:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Fut Per, It seems that your intention is to remain silent until the block expires, so that you do not have to defend your indefensible block. If this is the case, I see to it that the first edit I make after my unblock will be reporting this unfair block. Ntv has rightly (thank you) pointed out that you have blocked me to "warn me" about my (non-existent) filiblustering. I myself would define such a word as involving two or more discussion posts, not the one paragraph that is trying to explain my logic behind my thinking. Wikipedia states : Blocks should not be used solely for the purpose of recording warnings or other negative events in a user's block log. The practice, typically involving very short blocks, is often seen as punitive and humiliating. You can either respond and show me my error and I will apologize and repent; or you can unblock me and apologize for the unnecessary block; or you can wait it out/give no reason and I report the unfair block.Gabr-el 00:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] it was me

When you have something contrary to say, it's usually not right to say it in public.  :)

mutual. --VKokielov (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I am a Georgian Jew and a little bit Russian. By the way, there are still some Assyrians in Georgia, though I understand that you don't belong to the Assyrian branch?

I used to know Hebrew when I lived in Israel. Now, pursuant to the way I take up these things, I decided, alongside rejuvenating Hebrew, to learn Syriac. All the more since I've become keenly interested in Christianity after reading Leo Tolstoy's interpretation of it.

--VKokielov (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

But of course I missed the essence again. You are Assyrian. Pleased to meet you.  :) --VKokielov (talk) 19:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] God bless you too!

Thank you for my mothers day card! You made my day! I left a note for you on my talk page. You are so sweet - I hope all is well with you. Let me know how you are doing, you can email me too if you like, there is a link on my userpage. :-D NancyHeise ^talk 01:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RCC mediation

A draft of the note under mediation is up for comments here [14]. Thanks, NancyHeise ^talk 11:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Gabr-el, got your note on my page - neat story about the card! Im glad you are doing well, I pray for you when I pray for priests and I ask God to make sure they are taking care of you properly in the seminary. One of our new priests in the Diocese of Palm Beach once gave a homily on the difficulties of the seminary life. He mentioned that he entered with several other men but that some of them left before they were all finished. Another man I knew when he was in seminary but is now a priest for Archdiocese of Miami once complained to me and a group of others that he was being moved against his will to another location and felt that he was better off in his present location. I told him that my pastor (at the time) was sent to my church when the bishop asked him to come even though he was very happy at the parish he was already leading. He left all his friends and comforts to come be pastor of the largest parish in the Archdiocese with some construction problems with the school that were causing the school construction to go way over estimated cost. He was such a good pastor and I always viewed his personal sacrifice as an act of love for us - people he did not even know. After fixing our church issues, he got moved again to pastor another church near where his original church was so he got to go back to his friends. I think I cried for three months when he left. I was not the only one, he really touched us and challenged us in spiritual ways to do better. We became the model for "twinning" - where a rich parish takes care of an inner city poor parish or a parish in a third world country. We went from a do nothing group of people to doing really neat social works together that really built love and community. Anyway, I am telling you this because I am hoping you see that all the issues you face in seminary will probably also be faced out in the field too so don't get discouraged.

A neat book about a priest overcoming difficulty is "The Life of Michael Tansi", an African priest ministering to pagan communities in Africa. The beginning of the book is kind of slow but the rest is amazing stuff. He changed everyone's lives for the better but he suffered in making it happen. NancyHeise ^talk 02:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the RCC mediation, there is no vote as of yet. The agreement was to change the article name to "Catholic Church" and the first sentence states "The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church (note 1)...". The link above directs you to where we are discussing the agreed text of the new note. There is a section below the note and refs where comments are being solicited. If you don't like the note for some reason or if you like it, just say so in that section. NancyHeise ^talk 02:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, I will keep you and all of them together with you in my prayers for you! Thanks for sharing, that is really good news! NancyHeise ^talk 19:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RCC Mediation

Your input is needed here [15] to decide on one of three options. Thanks, NancyHeise ^talk 03:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RCC mediation

Sorry to bother you again, we now have an option 4 to consider since no one could agree on 1,2 or 3. Can you please come vote again? [16] Thanks, NancyHeise ^talk 18:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Gabr-el, I know it is getting confusing over there but we all decided to rename the article Catholic Church and change the lead sentence to "The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church" with a new note after "Roman Catholic Church" that discusses the difference in the terms and how they are used.

Option 1 was to make the changes to the article and deal with any objections on the talk page. Option 2 was to change only the agreed note and put the article name change on the talk page for discussion. Option 3 was to put the name and note change decision on the talk page for discussion from the wider community before we make any changes to the article.

No one could agree on any one option so Sunray proposed option 4 which would

Option 4 - 1) We summarize the mediation outcome along the following lines: A consensus of participants in this mediation (a supermajority) has arrived at the following proposal: The lead sentence be changed, along with a supporting note and a change of the name of the article to "Catholic Church." 2) We move the summary to the talk page for a consultation period with a fixed end date. 3) We focus the discussion on WP:Naming conventions and WP:Naming conflicts, particularly the objective criteria (specified above). A properly focused, evidence based discussion would allow for all perspectives to be brought forward but directed towards the intent of meeting the criteria for naming. I would probably ask for an additional mediator to assist to ensure we can keep the discussion on the rails. Would such an approach meet the various concerns raised? Sunray (talk) 17:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I voted for option 4 NancyHeise ^talk 19:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Catholic Church mediation outcome

Hi, you are receiving this message because you were an original party to the mediation process regarding the Catholic Church name issue. The mediation outcome has been summarized and moved to the Catholic Church talk page here [17]. Please feel free to come join our discussion of the outcome taking place now before making the actual changes in the article. Thanks for your help and kind cooperation toward a mutually agreeable solution. NancyHeise ^talk 14:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)