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[edit] Unarchived for 2008

[edit] Sweet nostalgia

• this made me a) decide I need a new motto; and b) think that we should open a new logo contest, just for the hell of it. Hee.

Also, do you happen to know off the top of your head what time periods we are missing histories from? It looks like much of 2001 but I'm curious about exact months. -- phoebe/(talk) 07:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Surveys on Wikiversity

Hi Sj. While wading around looking for surveys to connect with, I found yours. I'm tryng to get an "online" one working and announced on Wikiversity, and thought you might like to give it a try. See the instructions on the top of v:Wikimedian Demographics... just copy the substituted emplate, follow the link, paste and save, and more directions pop up. I'm hoping to announce it on all the English projects (and commons and meta) over the next few days. Let me know what you think! --SB_Johnny | ^talk 12:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uchaguzi

Kuna mapendekezo mapya kwa Wakabidhi na bureaucrat. Naomba angalia ukurasa http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wakabidhi --Kipala (talk) 09:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sark

Hi, re your recent edit to ths article [1], could you be a bit more specific? I went to The Times' podcast page [2] and found a bewildering array of different ones, but none seemed to be related to Sark. --Tony Sidaway 10:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Swahili Wikipedia

Hello, Sj. I would like to know who was the one to establish Wikipedia kwa Kiswahili? Was you or one else? Kindly I need to know about it...--Muddyb Blast Producer (talk) 06:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

It's true Marcos was the one who start it, and you: How did came there? Please forgive me for harassing you...--Muddyb Blast Producer (talk) 13:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your information. Stay bless brother.. Cheers..--Muddyb Blast Producer (talk) 05:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Thanks

[[User:Master of Puppets - 17:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Remember the dot (talk · contribs) - 18:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

MBisanz (talk · contribs) - 04:08, 16 February 2008

Doczilla (talk · contribs) - 51st! - 07:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Response

hey, thank you for posting a note on my discussion page, but as english is not my mother language, would you please explain yourself a little bit better?, i find your note rather confusing. cheers :D HappyApple (talk) 16:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peruvian blogs

How can I help you? --Victor12 (talk) 21:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Boston Wikipedian Meetups

Hi, Sj. Can you have a look at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Boston#Not currently active?? Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legally Blonde 2 Full Cast

The version I looked at did appear as nonsense.--Finalnight (talk) 04:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem, you were acting in good faith. Thanks though!--Finalnight (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] glee, joy, happiness

are yours for the asking, apparently phoebe/(talk) 07:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Houston

I'm not in Houston at the moment, though.. I'm at an (undisclosed) university. Thank you for the invitation. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Surfwax, Inc.

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I left a note there. surfwax is certainly a notable org, and has been around since far before 'web 2.0'. [commenting from my green handheld in a parking lot...] +sj + 23:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikipediaWeekly Episode 45

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[edit] GFDL compatibility of Wolfram Demonstrations license

Since a change in the Wolfram Demonstrations Project license was your idea, could you weigh in in this discussion: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 April 23‎. Thanks. --Pleasantville (talk) 10:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia regional blog

Hi. As the organizer of the Boston meetups and much else, I would like to invite you to join http://wikinortheast.blogspot.com/ and contribute to our joint blog. So far, we have one contributor from New York (myself) and one from Philadelphia (wikibooks:User:Whiteknight). This blog is syndicated at Planet Wikimedia. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 23:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

This is neat! I've been busy, but recently am returning to blogging, and may be able to add this to my plate... +sj +

[edit] Steward/Developer

I recently passed my A Level computing with a Distinction and was wondering if i could be a developer or a steward as i got the highest mark that you can get (100%) I was wondering if i could upload my programme which does the same work as 10 stewards and automatically reviews the requests for admins and the Bureaucrats. Would love the opportunity to use my software on the wiki and would be proud to offer exclusive rights to the wiki organisation.

Yours Sincerly

Chris19910 (talk) 08:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I have copied what Mr Wales said to my request:

Best to ask Brion Vibber or some of the stewards....--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if this would be possible. I have been trying to test it but i keep getting told off for trying it out thats why i spoke to Jimbo Wales.

Yours Sincerly

Chris19910 (talk) 14:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Pleased to "make your acquaintance" :) ~Eliz81^(C) 21:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I should have known...

that there was not only an article but a cartoon. We'll have to start a national chapter. -- phoebe / (talk) 04:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the procrastinator's barnstar

I will be giving you the procrastinator's barnstar... well, just as soon as I get around to it ;) -- phoebe / (talk) 03:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] g'day sj

it's 00.00 (I think!) - and I'm hoping you might be around for a quick conversation? - I don't actually have any further contact details for you, so wondered if you could let me know your Skype ID - if you have one!? We can facilitate this is a number of ways, and I look forward to speaking! - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 00:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Years

This WikiProject is having a revival and is trying to determine the direction it will be heading in the future. Questions are being asked, and exciting things are coming in the future, including the bringing of 1345 and other year articles to GA and even FA status. You are listed as a member and are invited to respond to this roll-call by putting an asterisk next to your username on the members list to show that you are still active in the project. Thanks. Wrad (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you hit a row of nails right on the head! Looks like a lot of people are gaining new interest in the project, so it looks like this revival is growing and we may be able to get some answers. Wrad (talk) 14:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Linux

Can you help me with next steps? This seems to be basically settling. I can make a last call for suggestions, I suppose, but ideas for next step -- plus the help of uninvolved editors -- would really help. Thanks! —mako๛ 17:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kevincollins123

Reminder to check out my new favorite commons contributor. —mako๛ 05:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You Will Revise?

Maybe you want to revise? —mako๛ 10:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wiki administration

Hi Sj,

It seems you enjoy helping build communities. Could you assist in a book review project I'm working on? both are historicalwiki.org and readandreview.org Readandreview.org is a more general site and is mostly a clean slate. I know they are messed up, but I'm sure they can be built up with care.

Much appreciation! Ron —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beachsidepress (talk • contribs) 14:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

comments left. Send updates when you have them! +sj +

[edit] Charles Nesson

I noticed you commented on Charles Nesson's article. I found something online about him: "Jamaican marijuana is at least to me of the same quality as Jamaican blue mountain coffee". I think it merits inclusion.--Loodog (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NowCommons: Image:Boston-flag.gif

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[edit] Proposed deletion of Intentional Software

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[edit] Hello

I noticed you removed something from Template:Humor. I think you should have left a message first on the talk page before doing the edit. Just letting you know! Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't tell if this message was supposed to be humorous... +sj +

[edit] Hi there

I don't think our paths have crossed, but my friend Steven Walling (talk · contribs) said you had a recent blog post that touched on the best way to move toward local chapters of the WMF. But, we couldn't find it. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks! -Pete (talk)

Hello Pete, it's been a while since I wrote that -- I think on meta, not on my blog. Until I track it down... I think chapters should form where there is motivation to have a formal local organization, and national chapters should exist to support active projects within their countries -- notably those not already part of a separate chapter -- and help organize national gatherings / coordinate meetups across groups. Similarly, I think there should be an international association of wikipedians which can among other things support local projects where there are no chapters, and lend a hand with large-geogrpahy events. +sj + 23:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Would you maybe be interested in chatting on the phone about this? I'll try to shoot you an email soon with a rough sketch of my thoughts, but they're a little half-baked, and I'd enjoy discussing with someone who's put some good thought into this. I'm at 503-453-9766 or, occasionally, peterdforsyth on skype. -Pete (talk)

We should have a solid discussion at RCC, for sure :) but hopefully before as well! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

SJ: Now's great, actually - give a ring? Phoebe: hi! Man, speaking of people I've been meaning to catch up with..... -Pete (talk)

Agreed! Lots of good ideas in there, I'm excited to move forward with this -- now, just to get this pesky election out of the way! -Pete (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly

• Episode 37, 38, 39, 40

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• Episode 48: Jimbo take 3
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• Episode 50!
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Wikimania

• Episode 58: Wikimania 2008, Jimbo and Reflections.
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[edit] thanks :)

I just saw the get well page. :) Thanks, you guys. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 18:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Meetups

[edit] Wikipedia events in Boston?

My son (User:PeteForsyth suggested I get in touch with you about possibly participating in (heck, or at least KNOWING about!) WP events in the Boston area. So here I am! —Martha (talk) 19:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I thought I'd "Join The Boston Wikipedia Meetup Group" but didn't see any sign that I was on a secure (signup) page. ?? Martha (talk) 19:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I suppose it's not secure... Is that the problem? we have a wp mailing list you can join if that counts as being more private. +sj +

You folks have a mailing list? Where? It would be great for us New Yorkers to be able to get updates about Boston events.--Pharos (talk) 01:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cambridge meet up

Howdy, Sj. I see that you also live in Cambridge. I live in Central Sq. I wonder if you have any info as to a Cambridge/Boston meetup? Sincerely, Bstone (talk) 14:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Meetup/Providence

Providence Meetup Next: Help plan the next meetup Previous: December 13, 2008 This box: view • talk • edit

Let me know if you have any interest in the Wikipedia:Meetup/Providence that I am trying to organize. I'll try to make it to one of the next Boston meetups... --mikeu (talk) 15:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I've scheduled the first two Providence meetups for Nov. 8 and Dec. 13. See Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Providence for details. --mikeu ^talk 14:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool! +sj +

I'll try to make one of the next Boston meetups, though the time and day make it a little difficult for me to get up there. About how long do they usually go? I'm also trying to coordinate the Providence meetup with Brown Free Culture. --mikeu ^talk 14:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The Providence meetup is today. The plan is to try to meet between about 4-6pm and we'll be ordering pizza around 5pm. Note, that I will be there during the entire 1-8pm, and anyone is welcome to stop by, but I thought a more specific time might make it easier for people to plan attending. See the talk page for more info and discussion.--mikeu ^talk 15:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other

• Prod for Thad Starner - Feb 2008
• Prod for Intentional Software - Sep 2008
• AFD nom for George Weller/First Into Nagasaki - by G716 (talk · contribs).
• AAU reminder notice by xenobot (talk · contribs)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 64

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[edit] you have a virus

you have a virus how change some page in site http://wikidev.net

please check --Phd0 (talk) 12:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 65

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[edit] Growth of the Old Swiss Confederacy at FAR

The article is at FAR. Please take a look. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm quite glad for the reminder. +sj + 20:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: OLPC FA drive

Yes, I'd be very interested in participating; it's been something I've been meaning to do for a while. (and would be my first FA!) ffm 01:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings; OLPC info updating

Beland,

I'm trying to update the OLPC page with the latest information to make it a really good article and get it to FA status; I know it's unusual to be part of one's own organization editing, but it is possible -- if we work on a draft in userspace and have friends/colleagues helping update the article proper. Are you interested in working on this in the coming week or so? +sj + 20:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Cool, it seems that page does need updating. I don't have time for much research, but I'd be happy to review proposed changes and integrate them into the article. In preparation, I've purged Talk:One Laptop per Child of all resolved issues. If you could help resolve the remaining issues with reference to suitable sources, that would be a huge help. There are a number of minor wording issues raised in the GA review. Where these have nothing to do with anything controversial, I'm happy for you to make these minor fixes directly to the article if you just leave a note on the talk page regarding your conflict of interest and asking people to review them. This would help keep a separate draft from getting out of sync with the live article. If you have larger chunks of new or rewritten content, it might be easiest just to post those on the talk page for possible tweaking and inclusion. -- Beland (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 66

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[edit] OLPC Guatemala

Hi SJ, I found your name through some OLPC research and I am hoping to have more luck with a real person vs. info@olpc, volunteers@olpc, etc.

I'm a non-profit consultant with a specialization in Latin America [3]. I will be traveling to Guatemala Feb-Mar 2009 with Child Aid [4] to work in a rural village about an hour out of Antigua.

I hope to add a technology component to my work and would like to see first-hand OLPC's Guatemala initiative [5] for my own edification.

Might you know who I could contact regarding this? I've reached a dead-end on the olpc sites.

I'd be happy to let you know what I find out if/when I get a chance to see how the Guatemalan government is faring with this project.

Thanks in advance, Meredith Vinger-Roach --71.34.159.8 (talk) 21:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Followup sent [via volunteers@] -- the general answer is that olpc:OLPC Mexico is the most active central american group, and that we don't have much going on in the region.

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 67

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[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 68

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[edit] OLPC article in Wikipedia

+sj+, you wrote: > Have you looked at the XO map recently? It's been getting a lot of attention! > I'm hoping to update the OLPC article and get it to FA status; would appreciate your help. +sj + 20:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC) As I'm only an occasional wikipedian, I only found today your message.

Was any progress made in getting the OLPC article to FA status? I guess a first step would be to get it to GA status ? I would be happy to help you progressing this.

I think I've made a big part of the edits of sections Technology, Distribution and Deployment during 2008, although often not being logged in, from a structure and content point of view. I'm a real beginner as far as the MoS, GA status and FA status are concerned: in fact I'm discovering these concepts just today, but I'm interested to learn. I've been working as Quality Manager in an IT consulting firm for some time, so I think I have (some of) the required competencies for the job. However, I'm not a native English speaker/writer, so a final review would surely be welcome :-).

Just leave me a message to let me know where you suggest to start. Luc Bollen (talk) 20:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Years

WikiProject Years is currently developing a guideline for the inclusion of events in year articles, especially more recent years such as 2009 (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Years/Recent Year guidlines draft). Please have a look and offer suggestions. Recent year articles are consistently among the most edited on Wikipedia and are surrounded with controversy, as everyone believes their event is "notable enough" to be listed in the main year article. We need objective criteria which will (hopefully) alleviate the controversy a bit.

There is also an important policy discussions going on here Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#YEAR ARTICLES ARE NOT 'TRIVIA' ARTICLES and here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years#A_proposal. Please take part in the discussion.

Deilvered by §hepBot (Disable) at 01:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC) on request of Wrad

[edit] Greetings from an old Dudley Friend, Justin White

Sammy --

It has been a long time! Shoot me back an email to let me know you're all right. I have been out of communication with most people in my life but have begun to reconnect. The world will be oodles better for it!

Justin White (THE:DANE) justinwhite2000 gmail

Sure enough. Let's stay in touch -- are you coming back to Cambridge this June?? +sj + 23:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikivoices and you

Unbeknownst to you, you've been co-opted into a 'Wikivoices' 'vodcast'! - we've been running podcasts for about a year, and I'm now interested in dipping my toe into the whole 'vodcasting' thing - you no doubt recall giving this interview last year, and I've been in touch with the creator who's happy to release it CC licensed, and I thought it would be a great fit for a bit of an experiment into 'vodcasting' here on the wiki!

We crossed paths briefly when I sought to have a chat with you around the board elections, and it's partly because you seem to be such a wiki-involved, and wonderful kind of chap that I'm afriad I didn't swing by for permission ahead of time here (still, easier to ask forgiveness than permission, right?) - I think the interview is fantastic, and you communicated some really important points clearly and succinctly - so thanks for giving it, and huge thanks in advance for forming part of the first-ever-in-the-whole-world on-wiki vodcast!

If you're up for an audio conversation at some point before too long, it'd be great to have you on the 'show' too :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

ps. it's on the Community portal too :-) Privatemusings (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

no..i so nt have.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliceyue aka silu (talk • contribs) 05:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] rcc

can you vote in the afd, pls? people are being pedantic. The article has always been poor -- perhaps the surest sign that this isn't a Wikimedian-centered conference -- but I did my best with refs. phoebe / (talk to me) 22:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episodes 69 and 70

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[edit] a request

Hi SJ,

I've just returned from Haiti, having visited schools in Port Au Prince and environs run by a dedicated service organization, Ananda Marga (AMURT). A colleague and I will be returning later this year as volunteers to run workshops for the teaching staffs of these schools. A number of these schools seem to be perfect candidates for receiving low-cost laptops because of their stability, organization, and good security. And the school directors are excited by the possibilities of this program as well as computer savvy. Although I've just read that OLPC has discontinued deploying their laptops, I'm wondering if there is any way you can help us request 100 laptops (for two classes in each of two schools).

Thank you.

Toby Horowitz 67.100.107.66 (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello Toby, there are a number of schools already involved in Haiti, mainly through the major government initiative; have you seen the work that Tim Falconer has done with his group at the Waveplace institute? There may be a way for your schools to get involved with an existing program. If you create an account here (did you mean to log in?) or give me some way to follow up with you, I can send more details. +sj + 08:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What's notable in the future?

As a member of the WikiProject Years, could you please contribute to this discussion? Thank you. ––bender235 (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

the future is just the past with a different POV. the same question applies to years past. +sj + 00:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 71

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[edit] outline-of-knowledge

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Outline_of_knowledge -- phoebe / (talk to me) 22:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Account creation tool

I've just applied to use the account creation tool. +sj + 00:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I've approved your account so you should be able to access the tool. Please review WP:ACC/G before acting on any requests and feel free to ask questions on my talk page or in #wikipedia-en-accounts. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OCL

We had a long discussion about codgering at RCC this year! I was advocating for the return of OCL. You read my mind! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 01:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Outlines of countries (a suggestion)

This category does not look very reader-friendly. Please consider splitting off a subcategory with draft outlines. In this way, the category screen, showing only the article space outlines, will become uncluttered, while the drafts will be on a lower level. They will be moved "up" as they are released to article space. --Zlerman (talk) 03:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

No need. We'll be moving all those outlines to article space starting immediately. It's time to shake things up and shift this project into hyperdrive. The Transhumanist    19:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this. I also wonder if starting the outlines project with countries is the most helpful thing -- since country pages are already quite well outlined (you're moving from a level-3 outline to a level-2 outline, perhaps; but most topic articles are only a level-5 outline of the subject, where the benefits of a higher-order outline are more immediately obvious). I know you've been doing this for many moons, so are not about to change, but I'd like to see more effort go into pages like the outlines of science... +sj + 23:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow what you were saying about levels - were you referring to heading levels? The outline's hierarchy goes down into the list itself - each level of bullets in the list counts too.

About shifting focus, we've been working on the country outlines for a year! I think it would be best to finish these up before moving on to the rest of the outline collection. I plan to focus on Health and fitness next, but right now it's time to roll up our shirt sleeves and get these done!

The Transhumanist    19:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Call to action

We've been working on the country outline drafts for a year now.

Therefore, I've moved them to article space.

All of them.

It's time to finish them up!

The only accuracy problem they have are the government branches sections.

Those need to be completed right away.

I've been working on them and will continue to do so...

But, this task needs everybody working on it now.

Please click on some outlines and fix the government branches sections.

The Transhumanist    19:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Country outlines project update - 2009/03/08

Remember "Around the World"?

Well, we've been around the World, and around again (virtually speaking, on Wikipedia), on this project.

Things have been slowing down again, so it's time for a big push...

[edit] We've gone live

This project needed a shot in the arm. Also, its draft pages have been littering Wikipedia's categories for months. The time seemed right to move all the country outline drafts to article space.

WHAT???

Well, the drafts had been sitting in Wikipedia space for a year.

WHAT???

Development has been moving at a snail's pace and we could use the help of the Wikipedia community at large (who are more likely to find these if they are in article space).

WHAT???

Yes, we've gone live.  :)

This puts pressure on us to get the blatantly incomplete elements of these outlines done. The only glaring problem is the government branches sections. These need to be corrected ASAP.

I've mentioned THE GOVERNMENT BRANCHES SECTIONS many times to many people over the past year, but the problem just doesn't seem to have been taken seriously. So let me put it another way:

HELP!!! I need your help on this now. Almost all the countries have a government with an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. The links for these branches need to be completed for each country outline:

Here's a convenient list you can use WP:LINKY on to access and edit these quickly. Please copy the list's link to the top of your talk page so that you can access it easily.

If you spot any standardization in links, and ways we can automate parts of this process, or for groups of countries that have links in common, please let me know!

[edit] Administrative support for outlines

There has been growing pressure on me to write up the administrative pages for outlines - their instructions, guidelines, etc. Therefore, I'm now in the process of composing these. Fortunately, it is mostly a matter of gathering material from messages I've written to you guys over the past year. Still, this is taking up most of my time, and I will be buried in these for the foreseeable future.

[edit] Traffic control

The next big task after the government branches sections are cleaned up is link support for the outlines.

There's quite a list of links and notices that need to be put in place around Wikipedia, providing access to them to readers, and alerting editors to the need to develop and maintain these pages. This will keep our bot people very busy (and happy).

But the most important thing right now is to get the government branches sections completed. So please, put your bots aside, roll up your shirt sleeves, and start typing.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    03:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scripts?

You mentioned that "You can manage renames quite effectively with a script, and have it take minutes, not hours". Please teach me how to do this (please post such help to my talk page).

I would love to take a look at scripts that do this. Can you point them out or email them to me?

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    22:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: There are several people I know of besides me who would be very interested in how to do this. I've CC'd this message to them (Juliancolton, thehelpfulone, Robert Skyhawk, and NuclearWarfare). I will pass along to them any know-how you provide. You have yourself an audience.  :) -TT

You...can...rename...pages...with a script? NuclearWarfare dies of shock. Please tell me how, oh wise one :) NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 23:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It might be listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts, but I didn't find anything at a quick glance. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should mention the python script of pywikipedia - movepages.py. This will probably be script that can be used so long as you have installed python and pywikipedia, although it will require a bot task, if it can reach such speeds as it can run automatically. Sorry I didn't mention this earlier ;) The Helpful One 18:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was thinking of using a pywikipediabot. There's also maintenance/moveBatch.php which can act on a textfile containing pairs of article titles... which is itself not to hard to scriptably update with a search-and-replace. +sj + 05:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outline of knowledge project update - 2009/03/11

Allow me to shift focus for the moment from the country outline project to outlines in general...

[edit] Where's the Outline of knowledge project headed?

It's growing fast, so fast that it is catching up to portals.

I just stumbled on to a subset of 50 more outlines (one for the history of each state of the United States), and have added them to the top of the outline. Buaidh has been busy - it's nice to meet another fanatic outliner.  :)

That brings the total number of outlines in article space to about 450.

It won't be long before there are more outlines than portals (which number about 600).

[edit] How long before outlines outnumber portals?

Four months, tops.

[edit] Then what?

I don't know. Do you have any ideas?

Of course the set will continue to grow. Which branch of knowledge should we tackle next?

And...

Perhaps we should push for Main page coverage?

[edit] Need for traffic analysis

We need to begin taking a deeper look at outlines and how they are integrated into (linked to from other pages on) Wikipedia, to optimize their usefulness.

The Traffic counter is useful for monitoring page traffic on Wikipedia.

Though I'm not sure exactly what it measures. Do you know?

What interests me most is the difference between outline traffic and portal traffic. Use the above counter on various portals and the corresponding outlines, to see what I mean.

Is the traffic volume of portals related to the structure of their links?

Where is portal traffic coming from? Can the answer be found in "What links here"?

And what about the portal menu bar at the top of every portal page? Does that account for the huge number of hits the main portal list gets each month?

I also wonder how much of the traffic comes from the Main page. Is there any way to tell?

If you have any ideas on this subject and how we should proceed, please visit my talk page and let me know!

And if you know of any other traffic analysis tools that we could make use of, please let me know!

The Transhumanist    19:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Geography WikiProject update - 03/15/2009

The award images are complete!

After months of toil and attention to detail, Penubag has completed the set of images for this WikiProject's awards!

There are five race ribbons:

There's an engraved medallion:

And by far the hardest to create, a golden trophy:

If you have any ideas about awards these images can be placed upon, and how to award them (to show appreciation and to attract participants), please let me know.

And be sure to pop by Penubag's talk page to let him know what you think of his graphics artistry.

The Transhumanist    21:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, it was suggested to me that I explore the adoptees program and I think your interests fit with my current project. Just wanted to introduce myself to start and see if you are still available for help.

Thanks, Ward.Allen (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to change your login name without creating a new account? I just would prefer not to give personal details on a user page without being somewhat anonymous. I value privacy. Ward.Allen (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Sj, I have initiated the change thanks to you. Once it's done I look forward to having a little more fun with things but I was hoping you could help me with my ongoing problem in the meantime. I am trying add a reference to the wiki I have created. It is an employee newsletter from a hospital network released by their public relations. There is no copyright on it. Even in the absence of copyright, I phoned them and got full permission for use here. This document is a .pdf. I uploaded the pdf but when I click on it it doesnt work.....it almost like adobe reader cant recognize it or it cant access the whole file......what can I do? Ward.Allen (talk) 17:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WWE guy

Hey SJ - the WWE guy is at it again. Before it get's CSD'd do you want to move this to his userpage... seems sad for his first three articles all to be shot down. JCutter (talk) 23:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nozio

Hi SJ, you removed the CSD tag from Nozio... the person who originally put the CSD tag on the article has restored it (and nomed it for deletion.) I personally am not seeing the reason not to speedy the article. Could you comment on the articles talk page? Generally I am opposed to restoring CSD tags once they have been removed.---I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 23:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Giambiopia

Excuse me, could you please reinstate Giambiopia. It is not offensive in anyway and is a nowhere near an attempt at vandalism. What does bjaodlin style mean? WendyGoatsGruff33 (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the previous statement regarding Giambipia. There is no way that this would constitute vandalism while you allow pages for White Power and blatant racism.Muffintops69 (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] for you.

.... Happy Passover! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 05:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re:nah

I'm confused. When you say "conversions"... that's in regard of... what? :)--Fluence (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outline of knowledge project summary, and future direction

In response to a friend on Wikipedia who was wondering about how I've been and what I've been up to, I got to spewing about our little endeavor, and well, I got so carried away I pretty much told him everything.  :) The message turned out to be a pretty good summary of what we've accomplished so far and the overall plan.

See User talk:The Rambling Man#What's up?

The Transhumanist    23:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Deleteing the page for hoop angelz

Dear Sj,

       Hoop Angelz is a website exactly like Club Penguin,but it is not completed yet.The girls entertain the guests until the website is ready and we have had a few viewers already so far.I hope you understand their situation.
                                        Sincerely,Latrobe_12.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Latrobe 12 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC) 

[edit] Pfhorte redirect

Hello,

I'm afraid I am somewhat confused by your changing of the Pfhorte article to a redirect. You made the article a redirect that points to Marathon Trilogy#See_also, but in the See Also section there is a link back to Pfhorte. This seem circular and leaves nowhere for the content to go. Am I missing something? Are you saying you would prefer in Pfhorte content was placed on the Marathon Trilogy page? --Culix (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, unless there is a lot more to it it belongs on the Trilogy page. +sj + 06:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I will leave the info on the Trilogy page for now and try to flesh out a Pfhorte section. --Culix (talk) 06:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Update on the Outline of knowledge WikiProject & Geography WikiProject (Country outlines workgroup) - 04/16/2009

Momentum in the development of the outlines is continuing to build, even though we haven't added any new outlines lately. Plenty of work is being done on the outlines we already have.

Keep up the good work everyone!

[edit] Inspiration!

Kudos go to Buaidh, who has dived head first into outline development, continuing improvement of the country outlines, and doing so vigorously. Take a look at his contribs. He has taken the initiative and has been expanding those outlines' design and coverage. Be sure to let him know what you think of his work!

[edit] Coming soon: the Super Huge Expansion (it will be really really big)

Excitement (mine at least) is building as we approach the Super Huge Expansion, during which notices will be placed on thousands of subject talk pages and their corresponding WikiProjects (see below concerning which ones). Though not all on the same day! - this will take place over a period of weeks or months, because it's best not to open the flood gates all at once.

The existing outlines should serve as strong examples for editors who wish to develop new outlines, and so we need to complete them as much as we can before we start to take this to the next level (in about 3 months). The rewrite of the outline article (the draft, which explains outlines in detail), and the guideline on outlines and outline development, also need to be completed before the transcendence begins. These will help guide the decisions and actions of editors, and reduce confusion.

[edit] Projected outline, at the OOK WikiProject page

What's next? Where is the Outline of knowledge headed?

Well, it will grow, to encompass all of human knowledge.

But, is there a plan?

YES!!!

Currently under construction on the Outline of knowledge WikiProject page is a version of the outline that will display links to all the outline pages currently in the encyclopedia proper, links to all outline drafts, and redlinks to all planned outline drafts.

You can help. Please place links to the remaining drafts in there (with complete pagenames so we can easily tell they are drafts). Once all the draft pages are placed, please look over the overall outline for gaps in coverage, and add missing subjects. I expect there are thousands of missing subjects extensive enough to benefit from being outlined. New subjects should be included as red draft links. Thank you.

But it's not just an editing task list...

During the upcoming "Super Huge Expansion" (mentioned above), the article talk page and WikiProject for each of the subjects listed on the projected outline will receive a notice requesting the creation and development of the outline page for that subject. Each notice will also explain how a subject's outline will integrate into the Outline of knowledge and into Wikipedia's navigation system as a whole.

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge#Projected outline.

[edit] Topic lists

The nice thing about a reverse outline is that it turns up problems that exist in the publication being outlined, which provides opportunities to fix them. Since we get very little or no opposition to fixing problems even on sets of hundreds of pages, we've been plowing through them.

One of the biggest problems in Wikipedia that our work on the Outline of knowledge has uncovered so far is with the set of topics lists. Their titles, in the forms "List of x topics" and "List of x-related topics" are ambiguous, and they are not the most common terms for describing their content. See WP:COMMONNAME. To make matters worse, the set is divided between 2 competing types/sets of pages: alphabetical indexes, and outlines.

In an effort to sort out this mess, the indexes are being renamed, and the outlines are being reformatted and moved, or merged, into the Outline of knowledge.

So far, almost 300 topic lists have been renamed to indexes. Nobody has objected to the names chosen, but one editor has expressed reservation on the approach - he was concerned it would cause confusion by having 2 title standards in place at the same time for these. Though he himself was not confused, nor did he object to the titles. And nobody else has expressed confusion or dissatisfaction with the new titles either. It has been over 2 weeks since the renaming has begun, and since no confusion seems to have been caused, and since there is no opposition to the new names, I plan to continue with the renaming.

Also, one topic list has been merged into its corresponding outline so far: List of transport topics was merged into Outline of transport. It turned out very good. List of cell biology topics is currently being merged into Outline of cell biology (see the link dump in hidden comments at the end of the outline).

I'm not sure how many lists have "topics" in their titles, but Google turned up 788, and these appear to include the ones that have already been renamed to indexes. Subtracting those renamed so far, there are about 500 more to go.

[edit] Watching tips

I thought you might want to compare notes on the methods we use to watch over the outlines. Here's how I keep an eye on things...

My watchlist had so many thousands of articles in it that I finally just deleted them all. Now I have it set so that I have to manually add pages to be watched, and I use it only to watch trouble spots and collaborations I'm participating in.

Because I like to watch specific sets of pages at a time, I use "Related changes" on list pages. That way the results are not watered down with edits from pages I'm not immediately concerned with.

I always use WP:POP and Related changes together. With POP installed, you go to a link list, like User:Buaidh/Country outlines of the Americas, then click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu, and then hover the mouse cursor over the diff and hist links so you can look at those without clicking on them.

It's pretty fast.

The technique turns Wikipedia's list system into a crystal ball.

[edit] Update Scanner

Penubag recommends Update Scanner, which is a Firefox add-on that periodically scans pages and pings you when a change is detected. You can even set its level of sensitivity for each scanned page (e.g., "ignore changes of 100 words or less").

I'd use it, but I don't have a computer.  :(

See also WP:OTS for more power tools and techniques, and User:Penubag/optimum toolsets for some more nice addons, that do a variety of things.

I'm always looking for new power tools and power skills, so if you know of any, please share (let me know)!

The Transhumanist    04:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nahuatl

Mmm... was that about the tabs and interface stuff? If it was, I worked that out on the Betawiki translator. Really easy and practical. The mainspaces tabs were modified by Siebrand I think. For example, "Category" was successfully changed to "Neneneuhcāyōtl", so now writing ":Neneuhcāyōtl:Something" is understood immediatly as a category. But that's basically all I went to ask. So, Betawiki (I think now it's called TranslateWiki) was source for all :)--Fluence (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Do not read this one - The Hunt - Outline of knowledge WikiProject - 04/17/2009

While surveying libraries, their outline-related resources, and our coverage of them, I came across something funny...

What subclass is the Bible in the Library of Congress Classification?

Do you think they'd like this one at WP:DYK?

(Nope. They didn't.)     :)

[edit] Libraries

For months, I've been sitting at a terminal in one of the largest libraries in the country, and I haven't even looked around at the available resources.

Until a few days ago.

I'm overwhelmed.

When compared to libraries, Wikipedia is small. (See Digest of Education Statistics 2008, Chapter 7:Libraries and Educational Technology Libraries, and turn to page 617).

But is that a fair comparison?

Yes.

Why?

Because we have growth potential.  :)

And we cover everything, including libraries!

Guess what else I found?

[edit] Hunting for outlines

I began to study libraries and librarians, since they are experts in organizing knowledge. And of course I turned to Wikipedia to see what we had on the things I came across...

And while doing so I kept running into outlines on Wikipedia that are not (yet) part of the Outline of knowledge.

When I come across non-OOK outlines, generally I rename them, and reformat them to our standard outline format. But there is the occasional exception.

Here are some outlines I just added:

1. List of energy topics --> Outline of energy (it converted great)
2. List of Dewey Decimal classes --> Outline of Dewey Decimal classes (no conversion)
3. Library of Congress Classification --> ??? (no rename, no conversion)

The last 2 are outlines by their very nature, and so our standard outline subheadings didn't seem to fit. So I left them as is.

I renamed the first 2, but the last one is the name of the outline, that is, the topic itself is an outline, and that outline is presented as the article's content, so I left the name as is. For now. This needs more thought.

Of course, that's not all. Concerning those last 2 outlines above...

[edit] Alternate outlines of knowledge

...not only are they outlines, but they are outlines of knowledge! Well, the top few levels, at least.

Uh, so?

What happens if we linkify them?  :)

That is, what happens if we linkify their classifications to Wikipedia's outlines?  :)   :)   :)

[edit] They become alternate top ends to the OOK

Yep.

[edit] What can you find?

I challenge you to find some "hidden" outlines.

I dare you to take a look around Wikipedia for hidden outlines (that is, outlines not yet hooked into the OOK), and add your kills to WP:WPOOK#The hunt for hidden outlines.

My trophies are already there.

[edit] May the hunt begin!

The Transhumanist    21:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] A couple questions for you...

[edit] What are the benefits of a tree structure?

The article doesn't say.

I'm interested, because I need to explain the benefits in the guideline on outlines I'm writing. (Outlines are a type of tree structure).

I've also asked the question at various reference desks, and these threads may help to jump start your brain on this question.  :)

• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#What are the benefits of a tree structure?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics#What are the benefits to humans of using a tree structure?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#In the humanities, what are the applications and benefits of a tree structure?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#What are the benefits of using tree structures in linguistic communications?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#With respect to the fields covered by this refdesk, what are the applications and benefits of a tree structure?

[edit] What are the benefits of outlines, over and above regular articles?

What benefits have you noticed?

How are Wikipedia's outlines useful to you?

I look forward to your answers on my talk page.

The Transhumanist    04:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Sj/Survey

I was wondering if you ever published any results? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

We never promoted that variation of survey. The questions were used as background for future surveys, however. I don't recall that a single full survey was submitted save by the people working on the questions... +sj+ 02:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Attalus I at FAR

I have nominated Attalus I for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt (talk) 07:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Has the shit hit the fan? - WPOOK update, 05/25/2009

Maybe...

[edit] We've started the next phase

I was experiencing mental block on the article draft for "outline" and on the outline guideline draft. And this was holding the whole project back. Without these (which are intended to explain the type of lists known as outlines in detail), the danger is higher that a controversy could go the wrong way.

I requested help on them, but there was none forthcoming.

So I went ahead and started us on the next phase of operations without those 2 pages...

Our AWB'ers and I have placed about 1600 notices all over Wikipedia. And the plan is to place several thousand more.

This generated only one complaint, but it was a very vocal one, and attracted a few other detractors who seemed unfamiliar with the concept of hierarchical outlines and their benefits. However, just as many or more editors came to the defense of the OOK, and there was no consensus formed. But, dab is still trying to rally opposition to outlines at the Village Pump. See below...

[edit] Administrator noticeboard incident and Village Pump policy discussion

It appears that the banner placed on the talk page of the Outline of Switzerland caught the attention of an editor named Dbachmann who posted a rather forceful message on my talk page, another on WT:WPOOK, another at WP:VPP, and still another at WP:AN!

He went well out of his way to use negative hype to cause a stir.

It appears that Mr. Bachmann doesn't understand the nature of hierarchical outlines and their applications. And though he implied that he has never seen an OOK outline before, he was involved with a discussion on these when they were called "lists of basic topics".

His primary argument is that outlines are content forks of articles, and violate WP:CFORK.

But "topic lists", of which outlines are a type, have been around for almost as long as Wikipedia, and fall under the WP:LISTS and WP:STAND guidelines. They aren't intended as forks, as they are lists, bringing the benefits of lists to the corresponding subjects, such as grouping and navigation.

Someone suggested an MfD, but lists are articles, and are within the jurisdiction of AfD. Only the portal page, which merely lists the outline articles, falls within the scope of the MfD department.

The administrator's noticeboard was considered the wrong venue for the discussion, and the discussion was closed.

But Dab's discussion at the Village Pump is still active. Hopefully level heads will prevail there too.

[edit] Now what?

Am I disheartened or deterred? Hell no. I say "full steam ahead!"

But we really need to finish the article draft and the guideline. Otherwise there will continue to be confusion.

Over the next week or two, we'll be posting another 1600 or so notices. It's a good thing we didn't send out 10,000 of them all at once.  :)

The Transhumanist    23:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Another related thread has popped up at WP:VPR#OoK's expediency. --TT   04:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] WPOOK update - 05/27/2009

Input on the OOK threads at the Village Pump has died down (at both WP:VPP and WP:VPR), and there is currently no consensus on either.

[edit] Negative feedback

For the number of notices we posted (over a thousand) the number of complaints we received (the two VP threads mentioned above) was quite low.

[edit] Silent majority

Considering most of the outlines are orphans, they get pretty good use.

Note that people who are happy with articles on Wikipedia generally don't say anything, so I simply interpret it as positive feedback.

[edit] Traffic, traffic comparison, and increasing traffic

Using Traffic, I compare the traffic of articles, their corresponding outlines, and their corresponding portals from time to time.

Outlines are starting to catch up to portals. Though the main portals, which are included in a navbar menu at the top of most portals are still way ahead of their outline counterparts.

Both outlines and portals are way behind the articles on the same subjects. Articles usually have 20 to 30 times the traffic.

Keep in mind that most outlines are orphans, with the primary link to them being Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge.

Traffic should improve once we include links on the corresponding subject pages, including the main subject as well as subjects that correspond to subheadings (e.g., History of x, and in the case of countries: Geography of x, Demographics of x, Culture of x, etc.)

I'm convinced the traffic of outlines will overtake portals once we've link-integrated them into the encyclopedia. And since outlines serve as tables of contents for each subject, it seems most fitting to place links to them in the form of hatnotes at the top of each subject's main articles (and the sub-subjects mentioned in the paragraph directly above).

By the way, there's another traffic counter called Wikirank, but I haven't tested it out much yet, but will do so in the coming weeks.

[edit] Going for the Main Page

Once the traffic of outlines has overtaken portals, it will be time to replace portals on the Main Page, even if we need to spearhead a new main page redesign! This isn't a far-fetched idea. I was the one who jumpstarted and led the project responsible for the current main page design (until it hit critical mass and attracted other leaders), and I was also the most active editor on that project. I even created the WP:CBB on the Community Portal to promote the main page election. The second time around should be easier.

[edit] Back to the here and now

Targetting the Main Page is a few months off.

Right now, we need to continue posting notices and start link-integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia.

I have a whole slew of AWB tasks to assign. I hope you are ready.  :)

[edit] Spread the word

WP:WPOOK needs members. Tell all your friends about the OOK, and get them to join.

The Transhumanist    02:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why do we have outlines in addition to...?

Wikipedia:Outlines was growing so large that I split this section off as a separate page.

I look forward to your feedback and improvements.

The Transhumanist    22:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] May I borrow your brain?

Hi SJ,

I've been working on WP:WPOOK again, and I need your advice.

First, starting with the following goals:

1. Increase awareness of readers of the existence of the outlines on Wikipedia
2. Complete the existing outlines
3. Create an outline for every subject that is extensive enough to benefit from having an outline (core subjects and major or extensive fields). There are thousands of these.
4. Recruit as many editors to work on these as possible (we need thousands of editors working on these)
5. Surpass portals in number by the end of the summer, and leave them in the dust by the end of the year
6. Get the major outline subject areas displayed on the Main Page (in place of or in addition to the portal links at the top of the page)
7. Increase the OOK to higher quality than Britannica's Outline of Knowledge (published in its Propaedia volume).

I'm very interested in your comments on how to achieve these goals.

Also I'm interested in every possible way of reaching readers and editors of Wikipedia. How can I get the most eyes and typing fingers on Wikipedia's outlines? Contacting editors directly without a reason relevant to them is spam, which I'd like to avoid. There are 75,000 regular editors on Wikipedia, and I want to contact all of them. But how do I do it?

Directly or indirectly, I don't care which, piecemeal or all-at-once, all methods are fine with me. But I've got to find ways. I need your advice.

I would also like to know how to find or attract editors to create new outlines. And I need advice on finding editors to help write the new outline article mentioned above (it needs to be fleshed out, completely referenced, and brought to featured article status).

Please recommend anyone you know who might be interested in sinking their teeth into a project like this. Or ways to reach groups of editors. Or ways to reach all editors. I welcome any and all recommendations and advice you might have.

And any thoughts on attaining the WikiProject goals above.

I look forward to your reply on my talk page.

The Transhumanist    04:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a great project, one worthy of concerted outreach. Let me get back to you next week; this is a busy weekend, and we have a lot of outreach around the licensing update to attend to as well! +sj+ 18:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Outline update - Good news and bad news - 06/08/2009

The big push continues.

And it seems to be working!

The good news is that there's growing support for outlines, and there are more editors than ever editing them!

The bad news is that the complainers are disproportionately represented on the project's various talk pages. While many editors work diligently on the front end, a handful of complainers are trying to tear down the project behind the scenes. Fortunately, barely enough supporters have been watching those pages that no consensus for moving or merging the outlines has succeeded. So far...

[edit] Big problem: ignorance of what outlines are for and their benefits

Most of the opposition seems to be unaware of the complete range of what outlines are used for. They just don't get it.

This is why it is important to complete the outline article draft. An article with a comprehensive treatment of outlines would be the perfect place to refer anybody unfamiliar with outlines to.

Opposers also don't seem to understand how outlines differ from some other page type that they prefer. Some think articles are good enough as an overview, others think portals are more in-depth, still others think categories or navigation boxes are the most efficient and useful way to organize and present topical information. Some have simply never seen an "Outline of" page before and think they are a new type of page (they've been around under other names since 2001).

If you run across anyone who doesn't understand the role of outlines on Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Why do we have outlines in addition to...? might help reduce their misconceptions or uncertainties about outlines.

[edit] On the bright side, you've got to see this...

To add the outlines and related support pages to your watchlist (takes less than 30 seconds), cut and paste them from Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist. For a way to improve the display of your watchlist - by namespace (very useful) - see Watchlist sorter, or use the "super fast upgrade" at WP:OTS.

Or go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes (currently without the talk pages) and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu on the sidebar on the left side of your screen.

[edit] The big push

The big push started with about a thousand banners and notices being placed on article talk pages all over Wikipedia.

But it didn't stop there...

[edit] Welcome our new members...

The following Wikipedians have joined the OOK team.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and introduce yourselves.

• Tarheel95 - going after the Main Page.
• Vivio Testarossa / Feinoha - here to help.
• Burningview - made a splash at MfD with Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia (see the talk page for the MfD link - lots of support there).

[edit] Enter the mentors!

I asked a bunch of mentors at WP:ADOPT for advice. Several of them answered on my talk page. Most of those who replied were happy to help, and posted some very good ideas. A couple even joined the project.

Here are their ideas, and what is being done about them. A few of the tasks still need volunteers:

• Strdst grl: Create and place project banners - already Y Done
• Strdst grl & The Earwig: put an animated ad for the project in WP:BANNER - Our graphics specialist Penubag is looking into it.
• Strdst grl: Create a userbox for the project - assigned to Penubag.
• Garden: Ask to have outlines added to next year's WikiCup competition - Y Done (proposal posted)
• Tarheel95: Add a link to Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge to the Main Page - Tarheel95 is taking on the creation of the proposal
• SriMesh: Create an outreach subpage to WPOOK - Y Done (invitation coming soon, see below)
• SriMesh: (Create a newsletter archive subpage) - Y Done
• SriMesh: Add a feed to AlexNewArtBot to gather links to new outlines and post them on a page. Then personally invite new creators to the project. - who wants to tackle the feed?
• SriMesh: Assign someone to monitor the outlines via watchlist, and invite new outline editors to the project - any volunteers?
• Related: Create an invitation - Penubag is working on it.
• SriMesh: Create Template:Expand outline similar to Template:Expand list, which adds each outline it is posted on to Category:Incomplete outlines, where editors (who are browsing the categories) can find them and work on them - to be assigned
• SriMesh: Add the above template to incomplete outlines - upcoming AWB task
• The Earwig: "Tell your wikifriends about it" - I've told mine, have you told yours?
• The Earwig: "Collaborate with other WikiProjects" - we've been doing this from the start (each outline is associated with at least one other WikiProject).
•  : move the projected outline to a subpage of WP:WPOOK - Y Done

[edit] Linking to outlines has begun

To the tops of about 30 subject articles, I placed a test batch of hatnotes leading to the corresponding outlines. The hatnotes look like this:

For a topical guide to this subject, see Outline of X.(Hidden: <!- PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE IN PLACE because it leads to the page that serves as the table of contents for Wikipedia's overall coverage of this subject. Thank you.-->

The rationale for the hatnotes is that each outline is a topical guide for its subject, and since tables of contents go at the front of a book, a link to each outline should be placed at the front of its subject.

Unfortunately, not all editors agree. Some of the hatnotes have already disappeared.  :(

[edit] Some past discussions pertaining to the existence or location of outlines

Note that the "Lists of topics" are of two types, including outlines and indexes, so discussions to remove, move, or merge those are usually relevant to the OOK. Also, outlines are a type of list, so discussions that affect lists in general also pertain to outlines. We've got to be on our toes!

• Wikipedia:Move navigational lists to portal namespace
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of South Africa
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic visual arts and design topics
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic mining topics
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic management topics
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic industrial topics
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic computer science topics
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic Canada topics
• User talk:The Transhumanist/Archive 21#Question copied from Juliancolton's page
• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia
• Talk:Switzerland#Orphaned article: Outline of Switzerland
• Outline of science converted to redirect by Dbachmann
• Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 64#"Outlines"
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive193#Shadow Wikipedia
• Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 47#OoK's expediency

I've excluded links to live discussions, out of respect for WP:CANVASS.

[edit] Table of contents to OOK-related stuff

Here's a directory of outline support pages:

• Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge
• Wikipedia:Lists
  • WP:CLN
  • Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists
    • Wikipedia:Outlines
      • Why do we have outlines in addition to...?
      • Comparison of Wikipedia's and Britannica's outlines of knowledge
• WP:WPOOK
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Projected outline

[edit] Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist    04:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WPOOK advert banner under development, here's the beta...

Thank you to those who suggested WPOOK have an animated advert banner. Penubag got working on it right away. Here's what he's come up with so far:

Penubag needs feedback.

I've posted a few changes for him to make to it.

Please post additional comments and suggestions for him at User talk:Penubag#Chocolate banner.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    02:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outline collaboration!

As you know, Penubag is working on a banner to advertise the Outline WikiProject. And he's almost done.

The banner prominently presents the "Outline of chocolate", which of course will become the most widely advertised outline as soon as the banner goes live. The first thing many editors will do after seeing the banner is look for that outline.

The problem is, we don't have one.

So that's our first outline collaboration!

I started a draft this morning.

It needs to be finished and moved to the article namespace before we can start using Penubag's banner ad!

Come join in on the fun. It's chocolate!

The Transhumanist    22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Plus Signs Question

What do the Numbers with the plus signs or minus signs mean next to my name when I go to my watchlist? Sknot09 (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Those are the number of characters added or removed by that edit. +sj+ 00:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Boston event

It depends on the date. I'm not in Boston right now and won't be back until this Monday at the earliest. But I would very much like that since it looks like I am going to be unable to attend the New York conference. JoshuaZ (talk) 05:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Confirm that I'll be in Boston this Monday. So any date after that will work for me. JoshuaZ (talk) 15:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 15 June 2009

Delivered by SoxBot (talk) at 12:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outline update - Full Steam Ahead! - 06/18/2009

Several members of the WikiProject have been hard at work.

Buaidh has been building and refining the outlines on the U.S. States, the states' historical outlines, and the Historical outline of the United States. Lately, his edits have dominated the project's watchlist readout. (I think he's overdue for a barnstar or two. hint hint)

Penubag has been working on medals for all the main branches of the OOK, and has completed the OOK WikiProject's animated advert banner (see below).

Highfields has been filling in the currencies for each country on their respective outlines.

NuclearWarfare and Thehelpfulone have been busy with WP:AWB, posting banners and notices, and helping our sister project, the Index WikiProject, get established. Indexes work hand-in-hand with the outlines and are prominently linked to from the top of most of them. And the outlines, which serve as tables of contents, are only as good as the pages they link to.

Since we started integrating (linking) the OOK and its support pages into the encyclopedia and into the Wikipedia community, activity on outlines has been increasing. Though there's still much left to do.

But I digress. There are a couple more...

[edit] Welcome our new members! Stefan and MacMed

Stefan is building the Outline of sharks.

MacMed has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".

[edit] WPOOK's advert banner has gone live!

Penubag has finished this WikiProject's animated advert banner, and it is now being displayed on the Wikipedia ads template which in turn is displayed on about 2000 user pages. Each time someone access one of those pages, there is a 1 in 184 chance of them viewing this:

Wikipedia Ads	file info – #184

If you'd like to display the banner on your userpage locked-on to the ad as above, use the following code:

{{Wikipedia ads|ad=184}}

(By the way, it's been awhile since we've barnstarred Penubag).

[edit] Watchers needed!

If you haven't already, please add the entire project's watchlist to your watchlist. Here's how:

From the edit window, copy and paste Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist.

Or go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu in Wikipedia's sidebar on the left hand side of the screen.

[edit] Check the watchlist every time you log on!

I forgot to mention this step above.  :)

[edit] The OOK is in 5 other Wikipedias?

I can't make heads or tails of 'em, but these links were on Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge:

• ar:ويكيبيديا:مواضيع أساسية
• fa:پورتال:فهرست موضوعات پایه
• pl:Przegląd dziedzin wiedzy
• pt:Portal:Conteúdo/Esboço do conhecimento
• zh-yue:基礎課題表清單

[edit] Resurrected from the grave yard...

I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics, and which was created 4 years ago. Of course they deleted it. But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead.  :)

See the DRV discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 June 7#Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics.

[edit] A diamond buried in project space

• When G716 found the page "Learn" tucked away as a subpage of the Probability WikiProject, he thought "This deserves to be in the article space", and moved it to the encyclopedia. See Outline of probability.

[edit] Recruiting

Recruiters needed. Drop me a note if you are interested.

[edit] Advice from the mentors

• Astatine-210, Strdst grl, and Willscrlt - link to the outlines from the corresponding subject articles' see also sections - this is underway by MacMed (non-country outlines) and User talk:NuclearWarfare (counry outlines).
• Astatine-210 - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages. We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
• SimonTrew - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - Penubag will have one for us soon.
• Zachary crimsonwolf - create a card explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone they know) - this task has been split in three:

1. Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
2. Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the WPOOK, to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested

• weebiloobil - contact Wikignomes - OK...

3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines. The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.

• weebiloobil - add examples to Wikipedia:Outlines - more examples will be added as suitable outlines are completed
• weebiloobil - add a picture to Wikipedia:Outlines (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject. Thank you for the idea.
• Zachary crimsonwolf - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
• Zachary crimsonwolf - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards
• UzEE - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some. We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
• SriMesh - if you can't get outlines added to next year's WikiCup, then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup. In the meantime, there's the 200-WikiProject contest, which needs input.

[edit] More outline tasks

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate draft - our current outline collaboration!
• Outline of psychology - someone moved a big chunk of this article to the talk page, leaving a big gap in the outline. Editors are needed to add subheadings and links.
• See also links - add {{main|Outline of x}} (where "x" is the subject) to the see also section of the corresponding subject article of each outline

[edit] New outlines in article space

• Outline of sharks - under construction in article space
• Outline of Hinduism (converted from "List of Hinduism-related topics")

[edit] New outline drafts

• Outline of chocolate
• Outline of Christianity

[edit] Main discussion pages

• Wikipedia talk:Outlines
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge
• Portal talk:Contents/Outline of knowledge

[edit] Keep up the great work

I'm impressed with the level of enthusiasm and work going into the outlines. I'm proud to be working with each of you.

The Transhumanist    23:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outline collaboration #2: Outline of Gibraltar

This outline is approaching completion.

I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia:

• "of" and "Gibraltar"

• "in" and "Gibraltar"

• "for" and "Gibraltar"

• with "Gibraltar" not at the end

(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).

[edit] Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)

The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects to page sections. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.

Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist    01:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: on an unrelated matter, where should the Outline of chocolate be placed on the OOK? -TT

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 22 June 2009

Delivered by SoxBot (talk) at 03:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I finally got to whack somebody with a trout!

That was fun.  :)

The Transhumanist    00:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Coworking space in Boston!

Hello Sj,

I recently came across the Boston Coworking forum and noticed your interest in coworking space. I am the Marketing/Office Manager at WorkBar, a coworking office in Boston. I wanted to contact you and let you know about WorkBar and let you know that not only do we have plenty of space available but that we are also looking to work with local Boston meetups and organizations who may be looking for a place to host events. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Feel free to email me at evona@workbarboston.com and also, refer to our website: http://workbarboston.com/

Best,

Evona

Awesome, thanks Evona! I'm definitely interested and will get in touch. There are a lot of hackspaces opening up, which is excellent; now if only we can bring another few dozen cafes into the city and put a bit of effort into our parks and green spaces, it will be a much more pleasant place to meet and work. +sj+

[edit] Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009

Work is proceeding apace...

• Julian is working on getting a bot account (and he delivered this update as his trial run).
• Penubag is working on the Project page and upcoming contest.
• Buaidh is developing all of the U.S. state historical outlines.
• Tarheel95 is writing a proposal to add a link to the Main Page leading to the the OOK.
• Highfields is integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia by deorphanizing outlines by placing a {{main}} link in the see also section of the subject articles that have a corresponding outline.
• I've been trying to keep up with them.  :)

New members

• Minnecologies - developing Outline of forestry and is watching the big picture.
• Mnation2 - improving Outline of Lebanon

Hatnotes

The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.

What's next...

Improve outline quality by completing them.

Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.

Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date.

Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines .

Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.

Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed.

Add a description of outlines to About Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Basic navigation, and add tips about outlines to the WP:TOTD and Tips library.

Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist    20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Newton articles

Hallo SJ,

I was just now looking at some of the WP articles on Isaac Newton. It seems that, way back in 2004, they were in some way split up, very likely with some plan in mind. Your name looks as if it was attached to the initial set-up of those split parts.

Revisions have developed over the years, and in a way that doesn't necessarily relate very much to whatever any initial plan was. While in WP that's not a controlling consideration I guess, it would be interesting to have your reminiscence -- if you care to say anything about it -- and to know what your thoughts were or are, for a sensible development of this subject-matter.

I'm not sure at this stage how much I can do or when: I've put a bit into a few related articles. There clearly are several things in the I.N. pages that could usefully be updated (or even cry out for updates), and the tags in the articles themselves say that much.

Anyhow, any views of yours would be of interest here.

Regards , Terry

Hiya Terry, there were both short and long forms of the article way back when. The detailed bio was split into a set of specific topical articles and merged with Isaac Newton (combining the section struvture and adding for details see links at the top of relevant sections). +sj+

The simple plan was to provide space for Newton biographers to add extensive detail without making the overview biography too elaborate. Don't be shy about rearranging the smaller articles, or recombining them to better effect. +sj+ 13:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hiya SJ, thanks for the info -- noted. Terry0051 (talk) 14:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for feedback

Minnecologies has done an incredible amount of work on Outline of forestry and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback.

I've posted my observations at Talk:Outline of forestry#Finished outline review.

Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 20:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC).

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 29 June 2009

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[edit] Wiki-Conference New York Update: 3 weeks to go

For those of you who signed up early, Wiki-Conference New York has been confirmed for the weekend of July 25-26 at New York University, and we have Jimmy Wales signed on as a keynote speaker.

There's still plenty of time to join a panel, or to propose a lightning talk or an open space session. Register for the Wiki-Conference here. And sign up here for on-wiki notification. All are invited!
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